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Wanna see the most common netaudio music genres?

That funky statistics | Funny accidents: Yesterday I met Patryk Galuszka who does a huge research on netlabels, netaudio and free music for the Max Planck Institute in Cologne. When I checked the comments of our lovely magazine italian blogger Rubèn aka eldino posted some research by himself, too (Download the whole document as PDF).

I always knew: "Netaudio is massive noise!"

He digged his downloaded music and realized some diagrams and obtained some interesting results. All his research is based on his personal library of 43.057 netaudio tracks. That makes something about 316 Gigabytes. Pheew! I doubt, that he really listened already to all that music ;) So, if you're interested in some statistics, beam yourself to Italy and have a look. and tell us: What do you think about his research and its results?

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Phlow-Author Moritz »mo.« Sauer This article was written on 19.November 2008 by Moritz »mo.« Sauer.

Moritz »mo.« Sauer is the founder of Phlow-Magazine.com and a true music lover. As a participant and journalist of the free music movement he joined several Netaudio parties in Europe including Netaudio Nürnberg, Netaudio Barcelona, Netaudio London or Netaudio Bern.

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30 comments

  • Hi Phlowers,
    i dont know where post this, so i post it here :)
    Wanna see what are the most common musicgenres in netaudio scene? i did some detailed diagrams about that and i wrote some lines (in english) about how i obtained these results! All the work is based on my personal library of 43.057 netaudio tracks (316 Gb).

    Trust me, it's worth a read if you are a real netaudio fan/addict :) Check it:
    http://eldino.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/en-netaudio-diagrams-november-2008/

    Please comment, here or on the blog, or write me two lines via email. I'm very curious to know ur opinion ;) Personally, I think there is too much noise in the air ;)

    Peace,
    Rubèn (eldino)
    Italian netaudio blogger
    http://eldino.wordpress.com
    Mail: numbworks AT gmail DOT com

    Note: Am i the guy with the biggest collection of netaudio tracks around?

    Gravatar of eldino eldino said on
    19. Nov 2008 at 3:26 am
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  • i think this diagrams are useless this way.
    taxonomically it's not appropriate to put "rock" and "idm" together into the same diagram.
    "electronic", "rock", "pop", "jazz", "classics" and "worldmusic" might fit into the same diagram, but not "rock" and "idm"...

    "idm", ambient", "techno", "chiptune", "downtempo" and so on are subgenres of electronic music, aren't they?
    or is the netaudio-scene as much about electronic music, as deep into electronic stuff, that they don't realize there's other music out there in the real world - which means there are subgenres of rockmusic too [as there are subgenres of "jazz" and subgenres of "worldmusic"...], you know?

    "noise"... ok, this seems to be obvious somehow.
    but if you take a closer look at the genre "other" these are almost different kinds of electronic music.

    i think it would become more clear if ruben would have also arranged his netmusic according to the netlabels he downloaded it from [e.g. "thinner" 10%, "clinical archives" 16%, "mandorla" 12% ...].

    otherwise it seems as if ruben just likes "noise", "idm" and "ambient" very much...

    Gravatar of martin martin said on
    19. Nov 2008 at 2:34 pm
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  • @martin:
    i perfectly know that “idm”, ambient”, “techno”, “chiptune”, “downtempo” and so on are subgenres of electronic music, but having just a stat about "electronic music" doesn't give many informations to me, does it? You can sum all the subgenres and obtain the total number of electronic music tracks, if you desperately need it ;) but you couldn't do viceversa using your method ;) "Electronic" is a too generic music tag, kinda everything nowadays is "Electronic music" and it does not say anything, because electronic music subgenres are very different each others, so i think your "taxonomically-correct" request is pointless.

    and btw, if you are a musician as the rest of us, you would know that netaudio is mostly electronic music, this is obvious since tracker scene times, because eletronic music can be done using just 1 computer, while rock/jazz/world needs more instruments, more time, a rec studio and so on.

    my goal was to show to the whole scene that netaudio music quality is too much low nowadays, because too many netlabels publish noisy shit (yeah, that "Noise" tag), music made by untalented people that is released somewhere just because it's free. Few netlabels do a selection by quality and this is the only real problem of netaudio scene. That 22% has to be read as "Trash" in my opinion.

    And nope, i dont just like “noise”, “idm” and “ambient”… i don't like Noise at all, but i like good IDM and good ambient (very rare stuff in netaudio) and many other genres (dub, dubstep, rock, world, dark trip-hop, 8bit etc). I listen to everything :) and i download and keep EVERYTHING, every release of every netlabel i find, that's why i think my stats are the most genuine and complete you can find around ;)

    About ur idea: i could do it, it's technically easy but notice that my collection contains ca. 300 netlabels, active and dead, so applying your idea = stat with lot of 1% = useless. i think that if you are a fan, you already know what genres Thinner, CA, mandorla are into ;)

    Cya,
    eldino

    Gravatar of eldino eldino said on
    20. Nov 2008 at 3:41 am
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  • @eldino
    i'm sorry if my first comment was a bit "noisy", or too harsh maybe.

    of course you're deeply involved into this netaudio-phenomenon [respect btw!] and that's why it's obvious to you that netaudio is primarily electronic music due to the fact of its evolution. and as you're highly affiliated with electronic music it is clear that the term "electronic music" must be extremly generic for you.

    nevertheless, i think it is very important to seperate musical genres in a nearly objective / transparent / clearly way.
    seen this way the tag "electronic music" is just as generic as "rock", "jazz" or "classical", tags that you do accept for your diagrams.

    however, you can tag music as "idm" / "ambient" / "techno" or whatever, but then you couldn't tag music just as "rock" if your diagram should display more than your individual taste, because rock music subgenres "are very different each others" too.

    in which respect is this diagram "genuine" then?

    btw: did you tag the music yourself or are these the tags ["noise"] given by the musicians/labels?
    but if you yourself tagged 22% of the netaudio-stuff as "noise" what does the reader of your blog know about this stuff except that "eldino doesn't like it"?
    or does the "noise" on your harddrive has any subgenres?
    and how would you tag stuff like thiaz itch in the post above this one here [which isn't tagged by the musician/label]?

    last but not least: did you know why punkmusic became so popular in the late 70s and early 80s?
    just because the whole equipment was affordable suddenly - everyone was able to make it [just like "electronic noise" nowadays]...

    Gravatar of martin martin said on
    20. Nov 2008 at 5:11 pm
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  • just for digressional purposes:
    the main problem of any kind of electronic music generally is that it "can be done using just 1 computer".
    electronic music is mostly always made by only one person who then is composer and musician in personal union.
    for thousands of years music has always been made by bunches of people who made it together - even if there were soloists and others more listening than participating.
    that's why any electronic music will always imply a specific kind of loneliness, that's why sythetic sounds seem to be as cold as they do...

    Gravatar of martin martin said on
    20. Nov 2008 at 5:44 pm
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  • @martin: "for thousands of years music has always been made by bunches of people who made it together"

    *hehehe* that's definetely not true. music has always been done by loneliness individuals AND bunch of peoples. loneliness people like mozart, walter von der vogelweide, beethoven (especially in his late years) and so on...

    and people who only play guitar like the typical sing-songwriter, or people just playing the piano in a smokey night down at the club...

    and as a fan of electronic music ;) hey, our music isnt cold. it's a matter of taste.

    Gravatar of mo. mo. said on
    20. Nov 2008 at 6:17 pm
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  • @ mo:
    - please name me one electronic instrument that is usually / mostly played live [except maybe turntables, which are analog]
    - electronic music usually never, in the sense of composed music, gets performed "live" [except different kinds of playback]
    - the difference between beethoven in his late years and any [typical netaudio-] electronic musician is that beethoven in his late years "only" was a composer while the electronic musician always has to be the performing musician himself
    - not even walter is dead for thousand years, nor did he perform his very special kind of rap without audience
    - people with guitars usually play for themselves or play in front of people - they do not neccessarily have to [re-]produce their music alone [have you ever watched a electronic musician working on his latest track > there's nothing as boring as that!]

    Gravatar of martin martin said on
    20. Nov 2008 at 7:17 pm
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  • I understand arguing for the sake of argument, but i think this should just be seen as the first statistical result of the netaudio scene, and i think it's very interesting and maybe at a later time other statistics could be compiled.
    You know i understand what martin is saying, but it would be useless to decategorize rock and jazz in the netlabel scene since there isn't much of them ( hopefully the future will change this ! )
    Interesting nonetheless ! Thanks eldino for sharing your findings with us

    Gravatar of Vincent Vincent said on
    20. Nov 2008 at 7:36 pm
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  • It's nice to see some effort to make sense of the netlabel scene, but I can't really say that it seems that useful when 22% is classified as "noise" and 27% is "other." What that essentially means is that half (49%) of the releases you evaluated are unclassified.

    In reply to martin:
    You say that the chief purpose of electronic music is that it can be done with "just one computer." But there are many other types of music that can be made by just one person - witness the enduring popularity of music for solo piano, as well as the prevalence of the singer-songwriter tradition, for example.
    As for synthetic sounds being cold - listened to much House or Chiptunes? There is frequently a lot of loneliness in electronic music, but it is hardly ubiquitous. And anyway, a lot of electronic music has many people involved in it - Autechre is a duo, and they were possibly the most important artists in IDM. Likewise, Trance, House, Hip-Hop, Dubstep, and many other electronic music genres frequently include collaborations with vocalists and occasionally with instrumentalists.

    Gravatar of Will C. Will C. said on
    20. Nov 2008 at 8:32 pm
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  • maybe it's difficult to explain, and it definetely has not very much to do with the main issue of this posting...

    but: the average "electronic music" [in the netaudio-scene] is usually made by one person, isn't it?
    it is made by these people in endless hours alone at home in front of electric devices mainly filled with cpu, right?
    and this music never gets performed "live" [except ableton-live-playback], does it?

    ok, thats what i meant with "loneliness"...

    singer-songwriters and piano-players usually do perform their music in front of human beings.
    in every musical genre except "electronic music" there's generally direct interaction between each musicians and audience.
    in other words: "electronic music"-artists are making music only with their index finger. making "electronic music" is about to be in physical intimacy with electronic devices...

    Gravatar of martin martin said on
    20. Nov 2008 at 10:45 pm
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  • @martin

    I will answer only about the topic, my english is not good enough to say properly my opinion about the off topic discussion u are doing ;)

    Rock music is less than 1% of the whole cake, Jazz and world tho, so doing subgenres has not sense for the moment. When rock/jazz/world music will reach decent %, i will do what u say (Rock, Hard Rock etc), but for the moment is useless and pointless in my opinion :) You'd just fragmentize genres that are already not very important ;)

    es. say Rock = Rock, Hard Rock, Songwriting -> 1% = 0,3% + 0,3% + 0,4% -> pointless.

    i did what i did with electronic music because of it's useful IMHO. Having a big 69% of electronic music (ambient+idm+noise+techno+chiptune) has not sense to me, because, i repeat, we all know that netaudio is mainly about electronic music :)

    My stats are "genuine" coz tell you lot of sencere infos, like (for example) that most of the musicians are into Noisy music, IDM music and Ambient Music, but we have still few techno/techdub producers around: they all do electronic music, but techno producers are just 5%. So if you wanna start a new netlabel and wanna produce something original, you can go to techno or to rock, but not to noise, because we have enough noise around. It's an example but I hope u got the point this time ;)

    if you read the original post and/or the attached pdf, you will notice that with "Noise" I mean Powernoise, Field Recordings, Lo-fi, Harsh Noise etc. The tags are mostly gave by me, because many netlabel-owners dont properly tag their fucking mp3s (i wrote a lot of tips about doing it properly in my blog), so you maniac listener have to fix em yourself after download (many songs miss artist name, song name, year, release code etc) or your iTunes library will look fucked up.

    about punk: the fact that equipment is affordable doesn't mean that we have to justify shit and untalented artists. many people do fucking cool music with just a computer and some vsts, while many other do shits. Affordable equipment is good, shitty music isn't for netaudio ;)

    Netaudio needs quality music to become a real alternative to commercial music.

    @will c

    Nope, it means that 22% is "noise" and that 27% are small-tracks genres that are less that 1% each, that's why they are grouped all under "Other". Without the "Other" trick, the cake diagram'd be unreadable.

    Gravatar of eldino eldino said on
    21. Nov 2008 at 12:51 am
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  • Errata corrige: i meant "Rock music is less than 10%".
    i suggest to u all to read carefully the original post before further comment ;) I guess u just read what mo. reported here...

    Gravatar of eldino eldino said on
    21. Nov 2008 at 12:56 am
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  • @martin

    "please name me one electronic instrument that is usually"

    => electric guitar :P, synthesizer, keyboard (def lepard *harharhar*) => i only say "Jump!"

    => "have you ever watched a electronic musician working on his latest track > there's nothing as boring as that!"

    yeah! => bugge wesseltoft and matthew herbert really rocked hard their sampler and ministudio on stage.

    Gravatar of mo. mo. said on
    21. Nov 2008 at 1:24 am
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  • let me just make a few remarks on the "real topic" [@ mo: you're funny, but you didn't understand what i meant - maybe i made a miserable attempt to explain]:
    to have an objective diagram which is selfexplaining and also intelligible for normal people who're not as involved in netaudio and "electronic subgenres" as we are, it would make a lot of sense to have different levels like that
    1. level - main musical genres [rock / pop / electronic / jazz / classic / folk / other]
    2.1 level - "electronic" subgenres [idm/ambient/techno/...]
    2.2 level - "other" subgenres [fieldrecordings/noise/experimental/...]
    and if you then summarize hiphop under pop or electronic and industrial under electronic or other doesn't really matter

    i don't agree that any kind of experimental music is "shit", but that's a matter of taste [just as your "noise"-tag] - that's not worth arguing about.
    nevertheless i think netaudio seems to be the proper platform for experimental and noise.
    in my opinionthere is too much electronic music and too few other genres [rock/pop/jazz/classical...] in netaudio. i don't need more techno or ambient [idm/chiptune/whatsoever] music for free, even if it is better than the available stuff. the only significant development for netaudio can be more real music [rock/pop/jazz/classical...].

    Gravatar of martin martin said on
    21. Nov 2008 at 2:07 pm
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  • I also nead more real music, not only that pop rock shit... - Martin: That's a funny statement: "real" music (rock pop etc.) against "electronic" (=unreal!?) music. It is all about music and music is about all... no? There's no such thing as real and unreal music. I understand there's a different recognition of electronically generated music and music generated by hand played instruments. Yes. There's also a difference between ebooks and papyrus rolls... What about all the musical projects which combine electronics and traditional instruments?

    "The only significant development for netaudio can be more real music..." Do you really think so - that this can be the only significant development for netaudio? It's like: My hard disk is already stuffed with free techno tunes - give me another hard disk for free rock songs! A bit simple in my eyes... Netaudio is about bringing music back to the intention of the creating artists - away from arguments of sale, production costs, marketing strategies and sound-mainstreaming. Netaudio is about filling the gap between poor self promotion via myspace and the business machine called music industry. It's about musicians finding others to share ideas, finding an audience to get feedback and reputations. There are a thousand options of significant development - I believe...

    Gravatar of raimund raimund said on
    22. Nov 2008 at 1:18 pm
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  • martin said:
    "- please name me one electronic instrument that is usually / mostly played live [except maybe turntables, which are analog]"

    synthesizer, theremin, electric guitar and bass, trautonium, samplers, life-loop machines and software, vocoder, electronic drums, as well as thousands of midi controller variations.

    and by the way, electronic intruments are analogue. a turntable is also an electronic instrument. it doesn't make any sense to differ between electric/electronic and digital instruments (it has been discussed to death 5-10 years ago), they can be played live in exactly the same manner.

    these intruments have been played live since the 20s, what do you mean exactly?!

    martin said:
    "- electronic music usually never, in the sense of composed music, gets performed “live” [except different kinds of playback]"

    countless electronic artists play live, look around (from oskar sala (2nd WW) over biosphere to mathew herbert and thousands of dejays using ableton live).

    martin said: "for thousands of years music has always been made by bunches of people who made it together - even if there were soloists and others more listening than participating.
    that’s why any electronic music will always imply a specific kind of loneliness, that’s why sythetic sounds seem to be as cold as they do…"

    now this really shocks me. you obviously haven't noticed the development in electronic music in the last 20 years.

    what about:

    - the enormous ninja tune world
    - all that new experimental hiphop stuff (flying lotus etc)
    - the whole björk story
    - the electronic works from radiohead
    - portishead?
    - the whole hiphop scene?!
    - drum & bass / jungle / dubstep

    and there are thousands other examples..

    for the netaudio world, ever had a look at Tokyo Dawn Records (back soon!) or Jahtari releases?! that stuff is electronic/digital, sounds warm and is also mostly played live (yeah really live!).

    Gravatar of fabien fabien said on
    23. Nov 2008 at 2:15 am
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  • We who participate in the netlabel movement have on our hands a spreading, growing phenomenon which offers the increasingly achieved potential to create new ways for artists and audiences to meet in the space where the pixels meet the propulsive sound.

    As we feel the roller coaster begin to roll towards the downhill portion of the tracks, it's good to have metrics created to watch which mountains we climb as our furnicular train-car ascends. It's not so important that
    not every canton in Switzerland is covered by the railway map. What matters is that we take what meaning we can from the data, smile at the fuzzy wonderful-ness of mass internet culture, and then go listen to another netlabel release.

    The revolution need not be televised, because it can be downloaded--for free.

    The next step? To convince the thousands upon thousands of listeners that they are not just a fandom, but a force to change music. These studies are part of the beauty beginning to awake from her sleep. When she gains her own conciousness, the blue netlabel sky is the limit--and then on into outer space!

    Gravatar of gurdonark gurdonark said on
    23. Nov 2008 at 12:14 pm
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  • @martin
    electronic music has a long history. also electronic instruments since the age of theremin, ondes martenot, etc.
    an interesant link for this:
    http://120years.net/nav.html

    electronic music is not only techno, idm, etc. it is also an academic music field. electroacoustic music (remember Karlheinz Stockhausen, Pierrre Shaeffer), concrete music,algorithmic composition. the interaction between computers and instruments is great. there is a lot of experimentation with electronic sounds both from music and visual arts , sound art (christian marclay),etc.
    do you know what DSP is?
    i think you should explore more about this before saying that kind of things about electronic music without knowing about it.

    Gravatar of lalo lalo said on
    23. Nov 2008 at 6:29 pm
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  • as long as normal music listeners associate netaudio with "electronic music" automatically there won't be a "next step" [if it's about "to become a real alternative to commercial music"].

    @ raimund: did you ever read a papyrus roll? everybody can read ebooks nowadays, but papyrus rolls? this is a tremendous experience, believe me! did you ever read a book that was printed more than 400 years ago? just do it, it's amazing.
    i personally do like most the electronic musicians who started as "real" musicians with real instruments [e.g. four tet, pole, squarepusher...] - but that's just a matter of taste.

    @fabien: i'm aware of the electronica-liking environment in which i made my provoking utterances :) even if my performance was really poor.
    but the funny thing is that the kind of electronic music that you're mentioning
    [e.g. http://www.amazon.com/OHM-Early-Gurus-Electronic-Music/dp/B00004T0FZ%5D sounds exactly like the stuff eldino calls "noise"...

    @gurdonark: http://www.swisstrains.ch

    Gravatar of martin martin said on
    23. Nov 2008 at 9:40 pm
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  • Kudos to Rubèn/Eldino for his monumental netaudio project.

    It's interesting to see the prevalence of IDM and ambient in the netaudio world. As netaudio becomes more popular, genres like rock and downtempo might become more prevalent as they reflect their popularity in the "legitimate" music world. But I do think labelling 22% of netaudio as "noise" is a subjective decision and thus weakens the validity and usefulness of the statistics, especially when 27% has already been allocated to "other". Together, that's nearly half of the music!

    Having said that, thanks very much to Rubèn/Eldino for being a pillar of the netaudio world. It's people like him who make the internet a nice place - Mo too! :-)

    Gravatar of catchingthewaves catchingthewaves said on
    24. Nov 2008 at 7:02 pm
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  • @catchingthewaves:
    I wrote why I used "Noise", but i repeat it another time. "Noise" groups: field recordings, harsh noise, powernoise, electroacoustic, drone and similar music genres. It's a name like another to group experimental genres ;) You can call it "Experimental" if you like it more but the result is the same :)

    Many commenters looked at "words" or grouping methodology instead of looking at results, that's what scares me most. We have few rock, hip-hop. dub, dubstep music dudes! and tons of niche "experimental" stuff! This is the point of my whole research, the point on which you all have to think about ;)

    In my opinion, netaudio music MUST NOT BECOME A NICHE WORLD MADE OF 80% EXPERIMENTAL STUFF and 20% OF EASIER MUSIC. NETAUDIO NEEDS TO GO MAINSTREAM IN GENRES AND EXCELLENT IN COMPOSING/CREATIVITY QUALITY, or it will become a place for niche-music addicted.

    Sorry for caps, they were necessary ;)

    Gravatar of eldino eldino said on
    25. Nov 2008 at 7:41 pm
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  • @eldino:

    Aaarghh! I misread and misunderstood your labelling. I thought that "noise" was a perjorative description of music that you thought was badly recorded or just bad music, instead of referring to field recordings, drones, etc. How dense of me. I do apologise. That makes a big difference to my understanding of your survey. (In my defence, I've had very little time online recently and have to rush everything. More haste, less speed...)

    In my further defence, I did say that more "regular" genres of online music might become more available as time goes by. Much as I like the depth and variety of electronica, I'd love to see a flood of pop, folk, rock, classical and hip-hop at netlabels, and suspect that we'll see more variety in the next few years. It's an exciting time for musicians and music fans, and there's room for everyone and everything in the netlabel scene - except for Eldino...who'll have to buy yet another hard drive!

    Gravatar of catchingthewaves catchingthewaves said on
    25. Nov 2008 at 8:13 pm
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  • http://eldino.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/eldino_netaudio_diagrams2.jpg

    check the "*" ;)
    btw yes, all this music needs room ;) luckily nowadays 1tb hds are cute and cheap ;)

    Gravatar of eldino eldino said on
    25. Nov 2008 at 8:18 pm
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  • eldino wrote: "netaudio music quality is too much low nowadays, because too many netlabels publish noisy shit (yeah, that “Noise” tag), music made by untalented people that is released somewhere just because it’s free. [...] That 22% has to be read as “Trash” in my opinion."

    even if these are just "words", it seems to me as if eldino used the "noise"-tag as "a perjorative description of music that [he] thought was badly recorded or just bad music".
    i disagree with that and i'll repeat myself when i say that netaudio seems to be the proper [or maybe even "best"] platform for experimental and noise - BUT NOT VICE VERSA!
    and from my point of view that's not contrary to the belief that netaudio has to emancipate itself from electronic music "to become a real alternative to commercial music".
    netaudio should be more than too much "good IDM and good ambient"...

    Gravatar of martin martin said on
    26. Nov 2008 at 12:21 pm
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  • Hello everyone.

    First up: Eldino, very nice work there! Thanks for sharing this.

    I think what has to be pointed out is that this is not (and never aimed to be, I belive) a stringent scientific study, but that the categories chosen are personally influenced. Which is perfectly fine, of course, and certain valid conclusions can be drawn from the data nonetheless: The distribution of different musical genres (however you might define them...) available in the netaudio scene does not mirror that of the conventional music market (far from it, thank god...); noise, IDM and ambient make up a disproportionally large share of the music available; but also that the number of genres available on netlabels is (for me, at least) surprisingly vast, if only in marginal amounts, yet available nonetheless. Any genres that are missing? Soul, maybe, and disco, but that might be part of other categories.

    Now there's heaps of possibilities for compiling other statistics from this data: Distribution of genres based on number of albums/EPs released, based on number of artists, based on total play time. Development of genre distribution over time (and I sincerely hope that this would indicate that the share of "non-electronic" music -- yeah, I know, "What does that even mean?", but I hope you catch my drift -- is increasing). Percentages of netlabels offering the different genres (would probably come out to show that 95% of netlabels have at least one IDM artist in their roster). Number of downloads per genre per song/release/artist/whatever, to see if people are really craving for some netlabel folk pop, or if noise is just what the "market" demands.

    Gravatar of tentotwo tentotwo said on
    27. Nov 2008 at 1:09 am
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  • @ martin
    If I will change "Noise" tag for "Candies" or "Pussy music" tag, I will keep not liking it ;) The personal taste doesn't matter with name of the groups, what it matters is that we have 22% of fieldrecordings+harshnoise+powernoise+.. etc. I'd like to have a 2% of this "shit" like in the "normal" music market, because it's niche stuff and niche stuff must rest! and because it's stuff made by untalentend/bored musicians (if you are into music production and synthetis like me, you know that u need 3 hours or less to do a whole "noise" album - also my dog can do "experimental music" if you give it a sequencer and some synths with random button on them ;)) and netaudio, in my opinion, doesn't need that much of untalented stuff if it wants to emerge and kill the obsolete commercial music system. You can obviously disagree with me.

    @ tentotwo
    You wrote down some nice ideas in you comment, I liked very much.:
    -Distribution of genres based on number of albums/EPs released
    -Percentages of netlabels offering the different genres (would probably come out to show that 95% of netlabels have at least one IDM artist in their roster)
    but these data are not easy to crawl via script and put in tables.
    I will work on it, maybe ;) But I have some other results to show u first.

    This one "Number of downloads per genre per song/release/artist/whatever" would be very interesting tho, but i'd need an impossible-to-reach amount of datas, coz I may talk with 300+ netlabels owners etc... Think that I have the whole catalogue of many died netlabels (so no owner contact) and many netlabels site don't have download stats etc.

    Doing a stat like that would be a real job, not a hobby ;) So fuck it ;)

    Gravatar of eldino eldino said on
    27. Nov 2008 at 1:38 pm
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  • @ eldino: it's honorably from you that you kept the "noise" and didn't delete it - you would save nearly 70 GB from your diskspace...
    so let's try to make a compromise, ok?
    i'd agree that noise should only be 2% [what about 5%?] of the whole netaudio-cake IF this reduction of percentage does not come from decreasing [/deleting] "noise"-releases or just less "noise"-releases in the future [so netlabels should release whatever "shit" they want as long as you'll download it all for statistic purposes], BUT from the inrease of other musical genres [which are not genuinely electronic] in the future.
    ok?
    so let's wait and see [/hear]...

    Gravatar of martin martin said on
    27. Nov 2008 at 4:06 pm
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  • I've just read your interesting discussion... all I can say is wait a few weeks more and I will present my results collected from 300+ netlabels... Domination of electronic and experimental music is overwhelming.

    Gravatar of Patryk Patryk said on
    29. Nov 2008 at 2:29 pm
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  • Interesting discussion! I also think there is too much noise in the air, and to be honest to much trash music on many many netlabels. And it is boring that almost every release is instrumental (nothing against instrumental music). I guess many labels have to slow down a bit when it comes to numbers of releases, it is better to wait for the good stuff and keep the quality high. But since there is no cost involved people release it anyway, probably hoping to get some spotlight.
    But I also have a feeling that the scene is moving forward, it is easier to find good netlabel music today then before. Both when it comes to production and style. There are several good example of netlabels that reminds me of traditional labels, releasing high quality pop music and melodic electronic music etc.

    And hey! You are all more then welcome to visit our Swedish netlabel and download some music. Always with the strong melodies in focus ;-)

    Johan Lundin /
    Founder of 23 Seconds Netlabel
    http://www.23seconds.org

    Gravatar of Johan Lundin Johan Lundin said on
    1. Dec 2008 at 10:47 pm
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  • Updated version of these diagrams and statistic are online now:
    http://eldino.wordpress.com/2011/01/07/en-netaudio-diagrams-2011/

    Now based on 688 Gbs of music, check it out :)

    Peace,
    eldino

    Gravatar of eldino eldino said on
    7. Jan 2011 at 3:54 pm
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